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Antique vs Vintage and Reuse, Re-purpose Jun 29, 2013 16:46:58 GMT

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A short time ago there were two separate discussions on the eBay Antiques board that resonated with me. And because my thoughts would have added nothing to the conversation, I will place them HERE not THERE!

In the course of one discussion someone made a comment regarding "mass produced factory" stuff from the 1920's that could and probably should be painted, or what ever as it held little to no value (I make NO JUDGEMENTS on that statement - not important). It brought to mind a collection of letters and documents my family donated to a historical society along with a family house/home. Most of the documents concerned the house in question, but not all.

Regarding the house in question - the original building dated from the first quarter of the 1600's and was enlarged, improved, etc. through the 1930's when finances led it it's gradual decline. When we brought the letters to the museum people to see if they wanted them in conjunction with the building donation, the question of When, What is an antique first entered my conscious thought.

The house had been occupied by British forces during the American Revolution. It was in a state of poor repair after the war, having been looted and abused. My ancestor wrote a letter to his brother (ironically in England) detailing the damages and his plans for restoration. In the letter he mentioned that a lot of the furniture had been stolen, but that the pieces (and I wish I had kept copies, but I didn't so I must paraphrase) that remained were the "old goods my dear wife's Pater brought from Home or commissioned in Boston and Philadelphia" which was "quite out of fashion" and not even good enough to be used as "stable fittings". Keep in mind that this was circa 1780.........He had the drawers taken from a chest and built into the wall in the linen room - the rest discarded. The tops of some "blanket chests" which "are nearly of a size" were used as cupboard doors in the larder, and "numerous chairs, stools, steads, & etc." were to go to the tenant cottages as they were so "out of the fashion" that they could never "see light in a gentleman's establishment"................He was ordering all new furniture from Fransee (sic) "in the Taste currently in vogue". So much for what are NOW antiques of possible great value............

Also among the documents were the details of a renovation to the NYC Gothic Revival townhouse built in 1840's (demolished in the late 1960's) that had ceilings that were reputed to have been copied from those at Strawberry Hill in England and definitely had a full complement of doors, woodwork and paneling made from a shipload of American black walnut reputedly taken in lieu of a debt by an ancestor before the owner could leave NY harbor. (passing thought based on the next statement - You DID NOT want to be property owned by my family - either side - ANYWHERE in history - none of them faired well).

After the house was sacked during the Draft Riots in the mid-1860's there was a lot of correspondence concerning repairs and "modern updating". Specific mentions (that I recall) were ceilings torn out and re-plastered - flat with painted/stenciled friezes and borders, fireplaces made smaller with larger chimney pieces, fireplaces closed and stoves installed, the mullioned windows replaced with "this new plated (sic) glass" and the most resonant, "this tiresome French and English furniture in the main rooms banished to the farm on the Island, and American goods from that new FACTORY owned by that Belter fellow" purchased to replace it. The big selling point was that the furniture was ready-made, it didn't have to be ordered. By the way, just before WW II the house was redecorated and that "fussy old out-of-date" furniture (by Belter) was relegated to the servants quarters or the tenant cottages...............

When these letters and other documents were first presented to the museum for their approval (early 1970's), two curators and a docent were present for an initial inspection. I will never forget the docent voicing his massive indignation that "those people destroyed valuable antiques", "Boston? Philadelphia? 1700's? Treated as if it were just old stuff?" and "how COULD they disregard John Henry Belter furniture and treat it like that? There are so few pieces, even in museums" and so on. Finally one of the curators said something to effect of "The first thing you have to learn about the past is that it was once the present. To them it was JUST FURNITURE. Someday the dinette set you inherited from your grandparents and now use in the basement will be rare and valuable. Until then just keep using the table top as a work bench to refinish those ugly Art Deco chairs you use until you can afford new furniture".

I grew up in four family homes/houses (2paternal, 2 maternal) that had been built and furnished before 1870 - two of them before 1700. We had furniture that we couldn't GIVE away at certain periods. Among other things there was a double-doored linen cupboard (kaas?) brought from Holland to New Amsterdam and a Tudor court cupboard brought from Essex to New York. My folks could not find a buyer for either piece (the linen press was big enough for three of my brothers and I to stand in). It eventually became a broom closet in the basement (an early 1800's, unpaved, field stone walled cellar actually). The only way we got rid of it was to insist that it go with the house donation even though they wanted the "time capsule" to be based on the last renovation of 1940 (when the Belter stuff was finally dumped I believe). The court cupboard was eventually accepted by a museum, but not without a struggle ........ because the upper doors had been removed and the piece re-purposed as a BAR since the 1950's when no one would take it.

Houses too went through re-use, re-purpose via fashion and re-decoration. The house on the Island had Federal Fan lights flanking the front door at one point, Victorian etched glass doors at another and finally some really bad Arts and Crafts stuff produced in the vernacular by a local carpentry shop to specifically hold some "important" stained glass.

There was a fairly grand foyer in that house. And the Georgian curved staircase was replaced with a carved oak angular model, again to a pseudo-colonial look in the 1920's, and then with some wrought iron or brass (memory fails) salvaged from a NYC hotel in the 1940's. And through it all the light fixture centered in the foyer changed as well......... but the original iron hook and pulley that held the first chandelier was still there - as was the capped off gas pipe that was next used and finally the slightly off center electrical connection made in the 1920's.

From the time we arranged to donate the house until we finally vacated entirely (a matter of about 20 years) we couldn't make any significant changes. When the house was electrified in the 1920's there was an electric chandelier installed in the dining room along with 8 wall sconces. No outlets. Until the day we moved, if you wanted to hoover the dining room you had to climb up on something and unscrew a light bulb, screw in one of those outlet adapters and hope to hell you didn't strangle yourself with the vacuum cord hanging from the ceiling while you were in the room.

The drawing room in that house was variously the kitchen/pantry/stillroom, then a chamber, then a dining room, then a Musik Room (sic), and finally, with the addition of a couple of bays, the (With)Drawing Room. My old bedroom in that house shows up in inventories variously as the garret, the Lumber Room, a chamber, Mlle. Rose's Boudoir, my great grandmother's sewing room (she didn't sew, her sempstress did), and finally as a bedroom.

In the mid 1910's the wall between the back parlor and the study (there was a separate library) was taken down and a sort of Arts and Crafts/Prairie/Mission bastardization of paneled half walls, square tapered pillars and coffered ceiling installed to create a "living room and breakfast room". It was bypassed during the 1940 renovation, so as ugly (the original oak had been painted - not stained - dark brown by then)and ill proportioned as it was, that is where we did most of our day to day living when I got older - sort of a "divided" family room.

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Antique vs Vintage and Reuse, Re-purpose Jun 30, 2013 2:40:17 GMT

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Something occurred to me while writing the piece directly preceding this .........If you were a piece of real estate be VERY happy that you were never owned by my family...........

Score board, Paternal Side:
Original family manor in Essex (as far back as the Doomsday) burned by Parliamentarian forces during the Civil Wars
Original house up the Hudson valley (original deed from the Dutch) Burned by the American forces during the Revolution.
House on Long Island (original Dutch deed circa 1609, confirmed and enlarged by English Crown deed in late 1660's) occupied and looted by the British forces during the Revolution, the farms and most land was sold over the years, house donated to the State
1846 town house in New York - looted and vandalized during the Draft Riots in the 1860's, demolished in the late 1960's
Post Great Fire town house in London commandeered during WW II and damaged during the blitz - turned into flats after the war (still have relatives occupying two levels though)
House and guest houses in South Hampton, main house sold and razed in the early 1980's, one guest house destroyed during a recent hurricane one guest house left (in the family trust now)

Score Board, Maternal Side:
Family home in Germany (since circa 1500?) looted and partially destroyed by Russian and American forces during WW II, and wound up in the Eastern part after division. Repatriated after reunification but there were 8 families living there so Mama sold it to them for a pittance
Family house in London destroyed in the Blitz
Family house in Beekman Place, NY razed for an apartment block
House in Naples Florida went to my stepfather's widow (woman he married after Mother died - she got the pearls and the diamonds as well)
Co-Op apartment in Chicago went for taxes (I was only in that apartment about 6 times in my entire life though my parents bought it when they married and Ma kept it after the divorce)

Is it any wonder that I have always rented? I hate cruelty to real estate............

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On the suggestion of an Antiques Board member, I am pasting this thread into this forum..............and not only because it was suggested - while re-reading it recently I realized how amusing some of it actually is!

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While doing some (long overdue) housekeeping, I was cleaning this and decided that after half a century of ownership and of wondering what it is, I would finally ask “Is this an older coffee percolator and HOW old could it be?” Despite extensive inquiries, Mr. Google has been of no assistance.

Measures approx. 10” tall inclusive, and is a nominal 5.5” in diameter. The body and lid appear to be crafted of brass with a tinned lining and porcelain knobs. The bail handle is missing.

The body appears to have been crafted of a single piece as there are no discernible seams (even around the bottom), a technique that I am sure can assist with dating (

). The spout is applied, but with no visible solder, etc.

The interior is “divided” into two chambers. The upper one is tinned and communicates with the lower one (which does NOT appear to be tinned) via the v-shaped slot under the spout and via heated water being forced up the water pipe.

The interior water pipe and grounds basket seem to be of two different qualities – the basket is relatively thin tin, while the water pipe seems to be heavy, machined aluminium. The round screw-on plate on the top of the two screens shows signs of machining as opposed to having been cast or molded.

Beyond the numeral “!” impressed on the spout, there are no other discernible markings.

Is it possibly based on the original Count Rumsford design (can’t locate a diagram) or is it a hybrid percolator/vacuum/gravity pot?

It has obviously been used, so I do not believe that it is decorative (HOW could something this utilitarian and ugly be termed Decorative??).

Lots of photos to follow……………….
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More photos ............

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‎10-05-2013 04:32 PM

Interesting -- I can't help much except with more questions. :womanvery-happy: What would be the purpose of the knob on the spout?

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‎10-05-2013 04:35 PM

I think one is meant to hang onto that, and the knob on the lid, while one pours.
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‎10-05-2013 04:36 PM

Is it possible that you would hold the bail and push on spout knob to make it pour out?
If its legal we will buy it, sell it or trade it.

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posted at the same time-great minds think alike Messi
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Is it possible that you would hold the bail and push on spout knob to make it pour out?

Agreed - there is no handle in the side as with most bail-handled pots to assist with pouring - impossible with a bail handle alone.

And I might add, it was probably quite uncomfortable to use with that configuraton coinsidering the weight of the pot and contents.
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‎10-05-2013 04:42 PM

and steam
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Woops! Let me ammend that last statement about "comfortable to use" - if the pot were hanging from a hook, the knob on the spout would be very convenient and easy to use. Only if you were holding it by the bail would it be uncomfortable.
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‎10-05-2013 04:44 PM

It looks like something deep's grandfather may have designed

Like re-inventing the wheel with the rim on the outside
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‎10-05-2013 04:46 PM

Ok, thanks -- now for some musing. My parents used a percolator all through my childhood. The basket that held the grounds had holes in the bottom. The heated water would "perk" up through the tube in the middle, then drip down through the grounds in the basket and fall into the pot below. I don't see any holes in the bottom of this basket. Not saying it's not some kind of percolator, but it must work differently than the ones my parents used. (Or perhaps there are actually holes, but I just am not seeing them?)

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‎10-05-2013 04:51 PM

Fig - I use a stove top percolator every Sunday morning - and there are holes in the bottom (and sides) of the grounds basket - and you are correct in that this one does not have any................the NEW mystery is HOW could I not have noticed that?

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‎10-05-2013 04:56 PM

AH . . . WE SEE WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE.:smileylol:
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‎10-05-2013 04:59 PM

and it perks into the bottom of the grounds rather than dripping on top of them

Imagine what gunk lies in that sealed bottom section
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and it perks into the bottom of the grounds rather than dripping on top of them

Imagine what gunk lies in that sealed bottom section

wish you hadn't brought that up ................. while it is not quite sealed (the V at the spout communicates) there IS SOMETHING that "softly" mushes around when I clean it but nothing comes out.......................................been that way for years and years and yea........................
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‎10-05-2013 05:06 PM

It should go to the failed inventions museum
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‎10-05-2013 05:11 PM

da*m I am going to have to rip open a few of Mr.. Lipton's bags (coffee it too expensive to actually USE) and test this thing out ............. If anyone hears a loud BANG from the vicinity of Near West Chicago, keep in mind that I like white roses and cyclamen peonies ....................
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da*m I am going to have to rip open a few of Mr.. Lipton's bags (coffee it too expensive to actually USE) and test this thing out ............. If anyone hears a loud BANG from the vicinity of Near West Chicago, keep in mind that I like white roses and cyclamen peonies ....................

We'd like a report! You will make it through the test ....:womanhappy:

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Interesting -- I can't help much except with more questions. :womanvery-happy: What would be the purpose of the knob on the spout?

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so you can pour without spilling, it is pretty beat up , damaged and missing the handle, would not consider drinking coffee or for that matter much of anything else less one wants to get sick from metal toxicity.
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We'd like a report! You will make it through the test

Well, since I am so impatient, the pot is now on the gas....................if you don't HEAR from me, at least REMEMBER me.................
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‎10-05-2013 05:24 PM

The pot looks like it was tossed out and somebody picked it up, the pot isn't old at all, rather current, old coffee pots are characterized by the use or ceiling urn bags and bag rings, were still in full production as of 1957 to at least 1965, after that the percolators of the 50's slowly came and replace the urn bags.
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Ok, thanks -- now for some musing. My parents used a percolator all through my childhood. The basket that held the grounds had holes in the bottom. The heated water would "perk" up through the tube in the middle, then drip down through the grounds in the basket and fall into the pot below. I don't see any holes in the bottom of this basket. Not saying it's not some kind of percolator, but it must work differently than the ones my parents used. (Or perhaps there are actually holes, but I just am not seeing them?)

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Of course not the item is used to try and fool rather then much of anything else.
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Fig wrote:

We'd like a report! You will make it through the test

Well, since I am so impatient, the pot is now on the gas....................if you don't HEAR from me, at least REMEMBER me.................

:womanvery-happy::womanvery-happy::womanvery-happy:

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Well, sort of a let down ......... it works just like any percolator - only MUCH faster. The only thing I can;t figure out is how the brew got out of that basket and how the (admittedly finely chopped) tea came along with it..................
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‎10-05-2013 05:30 PM

Hmmmmm.... once again, the old "quizzical" emoticon with the question mark would be really good here.

How does it taste?

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Well, sort of a let down ......... it works just like any percolator - only MUCH faster. The only thing I can;t figure out is how the brew got out of that basket and how the (admittedly finely chopped) tea came along with it..................

perculation and how fast it starts is purely a function of how much heat is applied so a 15k btu burner will out perform a 10k btu by 33 percent, it's science.
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‎10-05-2013 05:38 PM

You could run it without the lid as the water doesn't come out of the stem top
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Hmmmmm.... once again, the old "quizzical" emoticon with the question mark would be really good here.

How does it taste?

Fig

I ain't drinkin that stuff! Aside from the "mystery mushies" slopping about in the bottom compartment, it was made with Lipton Tea..................from a bag ............ something I keep around for the hoi polloi..........(just gave me a memory for the forum)...............

Actually, I was examining this again and realized that the water pipe has NO opening on the top either.......... another clue missed! What I did discover is that the pipe has two holes on the sides inside the grounds basket. It appears that when the water boils it is forced up the pipe and into the basket and when the basket fills it over runs the top through that (really fine) screen.................and some how, the brew only fills the top part BUT does run into the bottom when you pour...............but to no apparent ill effect.
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You could run it without the lid as the water doesn't come out of the stem top

See - you caught that right away - I totally missed it (see my previous reply). But it appears that the brew does shoot up to the lid somehow as there are tea leaves on the dome..................
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Strangely designed, as I think Terry indicated earlier.... If you want to sell this, I bet you could write up a great description that would convince somebody it was such an oddity that they have to have it!

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LMBO! HA!HA!HA!
Yjat was goooood...
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Strangely designed, as I think Terry indicated earlier.... If you want to sell this, I bet you could write up a great description that would convince somebody it was such an oddity that they have to have it!

Fig

If I had the patience to decipher the descriptions of the original "percolator" designed by Rumsford, I may find that this is based on his principle .......... But the brain is a bit clogged tonight.
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‎10-05-2013 05:48 PM
I meant THAT was funny. I couldn't see past the tears of laughter!
I love old things.
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‎10-06-2013 06:29 AM

Mansons -- you DO make me laugh!
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Me too!

The visuals running through my mind! Hawaii

Great thread!

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‎10-06-2013 06:51 AM

I did NOT type Hawaii?

I typed hahaha

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I did NOT type Hawaii?

I typed hahaha

I do hope that doesn't mean we now have "autocorrect"!!! :smileylol:
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I guess we do! hahahaha

Or, is haha a bad word now?

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I didn't *think* so.

I have heard who-ha used in an odd way, and there is always tatas, but I did think haha was ok.

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I think Ha Ha is a ditch in England? And that is Ditch, with a D! hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Mansons -- you DO make me laugh!

me too
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‎10-06-2013 08:15 AM

A haha is a certain kind of ditch, used in English landscaping to keep the kine in their place.

(chuckle, chuckle)
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‎10-06-2013 09:39 AM
This whole thread should be included in your forum, Mansons! So funny. And yes, my parents had a percolator coffee maker (long before Joe DiMaggio and "Mr. Coffee"). It had a little glass knob on top so you could see the coffee percolating, and it made a rather loud "bloop, bloop" sound when percolating. And yes, the basket had holes top and bottom, IIRC. Thanks for the memory!
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Love the sound . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_HN_3ulO9M
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Mansons..

I believe I've found your mystery item...:smileyhappy:

www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIAN-SAMOVAR-Copper-Porcelain-Base-SIDE-POUR-/141082371886?pt=LH_DefaultD...

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Mansons..

I believe I've found your mystery item...:smileyhappy:

www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIAN-SAMOVAR-Copper-Porcelain-Base-SIDE-POUR-/141082371886?pt=LH_DefaultD...

Wilsonhepple -- Wow! How did you find that?

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Fig,

Quite by chance really..

A poster over on the 'Vintage' Forum posted a photo of an item they wanted to identify....and it looked very similar to the base, or bottom part, of a Russian Samavor I sold a few years ago.

I found Manson's item while browsing through current listings for Russian Samavors..:smileyhappy:

Isn't the one in the listing missing the heating part?

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and that would be heated how?

Looks like someone's creation
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You're both right; It is odd that there is no way of heating...

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With one of these......

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Fig,

If you check the one in the listing, there's an indentation in the white base, which leads me to believe something was meant to sit in there.?
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A short spirit burner or a tea light.

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‎10-06-2013 03:06 PM

It looks like an older starbucks coffee pot, I was just wandering where is the very first pot that was used in starbuck coffee shops, that would be iconic as a center piece of a collection, on the other hand it could also have been a coffee pot that belonged to a homeless type. Not to worry I am certain that there are coffee experts just lurking in the back ground, will just have to wait.
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If you check the one in the listing, there's an indentation in the white base, which leads me to believe something was meant to sit in there.?

I noticed that also, and was wondering about what size it would need to be. I could see maybe some small heater to keep it warm, but to heat it up in the first place? Seems like it would need something more. But maybe it was slooow brewed. :cathappy:

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Fig,

Quite by chance really..

A poster over on the 'Vintage' Forum posted a photo of an item they wanted to identify....and it looked very similar to the base, or bottom part, of a Russian Samavor I sold a few years ago.

I found Manson's item while browsing through current listings for Russian Samavors..:smileyhappy:

Isn't the one in the listing missing the heating part?

They centianly have some nice ones , all polished brass (brasso) and copper (brasso), I would get one but I just don't drink that much coffee and it seems senseless in my particular case since I don't collect them, actually I was wondering if in fact if this in fact at one time was a savor
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‎10-06-2013 03:52 PM

Because of the dents on the bottom, perhaps it was perked on the stove, then the inner contraptions removed and hung on the server? The thing on the bottom would keep it warm.

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Yep! That's it! Thanks for the link.

After thinking about it and doing some more reading (with a clearer head) this operates on the vacuum principle. The water (about a quart) is "sucked" up the tube when heated and forced through the basket, ultimately leaving the bottom empty (I was wrong about the two compartments communicating at the V near the spout - it only appears as such). DUring my experiment in the stove top I was surprised at how fast it "completed" the brewing so I imagine a small spirit lamp or candle would do the job economically and just as well.

By the way, I believe this is actually brass, not copper.

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This discussion has been fun and interesting... the best kind of forum thread! IMO

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Sept 28, 2013 11:46:06 GMT bookahtoo said:

I want to come to your apartment. Who did all the construction work? Who the heck moved all that stuff in?

Bookahtoo - sorry for the delay in answering - but you have given me food for thought!

First, I'll give the short and sweet answers to your queries: I did all of the design work (such as it is) and I did most of the construction (such as THAT is), but with a lot of assistance from some casual laborers. 75% of the materials are salvaged and I bartered for the specialized work such as the plumbing and electrical. As for moving in - again, casual labor, mostly contacted via the homeless shelters and Salvation Army.

Second, the idea inspired by your question: One of the main reasons I have all of those photos of this place on Photobucket is my intent to write a blog about urban storefront living -something that has become VERY popular in Chicago.

For instance, my space is a legal work/live because the area has been "up zoned" to Residential as opposed to a sort of slapdash mix of single family homes, bungalows, 3 and 4 flat buildings and small apartment blocks with a scattering of small store and shop fronts that just "grew" over the past century. Most of the small shops have closed (my space was a "general store - I have a business card for that era). So the city re-zoned the area (which is a historical district)and property owners had to find alternative uses for their properties. Within the 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile "square" I live in there are over 150 former commercial spaces that are now residential. And that is just a SMALL percentage of such spaces in Chicago.

Back to the idea - one reason that the Blog has yet to be born is that I have had some difficulty finding a suitable home for it........ but is occurs to me that this forum is a good place to at least plant the seeds and see what germinates.............

Thanks for the prod!

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I wonder if this is the Andrew Dzik who owned the store that was at your place? He was buried in a cemetery in Niles, but it sounds from the death notice as if he lived in Chicago:

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Yep. that's probably him! The chapel and Church are just blocks from here. I know that the "store" was still open through the 1970's. There are still people in the neighborhood who remember it when they were young, but remember it more as a candy/grocery store. The neighborhood went to the dogs in the 70's - the woman who lives next door but one is fond of telling me about the evening her boy friend was shot in the back on the street corner (1973? 74?). It has since changed, not that my presence has brought up the tone in the least!!!!!

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